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Files in Category:Models of automobiles edit

Per [1]: no evidence that these models would be public domain.

Eleassar (t/p) 06:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion does nowhere state why the model would be pd. See [6]. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Per the above, the manufactured item is copyrighted and the photograph is a copyright infringement. --Eleassar (t/p) 09:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (most likely was made an automatic or semi-automatic (trawling) but some files do not fit into this discussion, it must be removed the warning, some have even OTRS permission) File: one, two, tree ( and seven, is no pertinent with this discussions. File: four, five, six are autorized by respective museum: Museo dell'Automobile di Torino and Triennale Design Museum of Milan. However, four, five, and six are pertinent to this discussion and can be discussed (I can bring the statements of the museum). I note, however, that the criterion for which they have been placed in the file deletion is the case in which a person have a model and photographs the model, and not objects or models on display at the museum with explicit authorization to photography and sharing (there are two different things). The first 3 files are not relevant because it is not about model cars as they are understood in reference criterion for deletion, you have to be more careful when you select the files to delete them--Pava (talk) 11:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no evidence that files 1, 2 and 3 are in the public domain. The same for the files that you claim to have the permission of the copyright holder. Where can the permission be verified? If you have it, please forward it to the OTRS team as described at COM:OTRS. --Eleassar (t/p) 11:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
1, 2 and 3 are not artistic model (are not repruction of automotive) are study model of automobiles, objects covered by the same standards of all other cars on display at the museums mentioned, if you want to cast doubt on the correctness of these images on commons must do it using another report, with other reasons, this indicator is not relevant with the images above, you must have reasons to doubt these pictures, and all other photos on the MAUTO of Turin or TDM of Milan. This deletion request is no pertinent with this image. The discussion that supports this deletion request does not touch these three photos, you need to express another question of fairness, this is not good. However, the website [7] can be a great place to ask about the freedom to photograph the exhibits. Furthermore, the license OTRS is already available for one of the photos that you put in cancellation --Pava (talk) 19:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Study models are copyrighted too and there is no particular need to renominate them, because it is clear they're non-free works far above any threshold of originality. The OTRS-confirmed license has been received from the photographer, not from the author/copyright holder of the model. --Eleassar (t/p) 20:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Ellesar you're ignoring (deliberately or unconsciously) what I've done this: you do not have defend your cause just because you started: images 1, 2, 3, and 7 are not eliminated by this cancellation request because the discussion that the supports is not inherent with the contents of these images. You simply put in cancellation without distinction all the images into a category, ignoring the content and then you also select images that are not consistent with the discussion of deleting reference to this request. If you want you can open a discussion cancellation of works exhibited in museums and study models of cars, and see what the community says, but it is against regulation and inconsistent that you put in deleting images that have nothing to do with the consent obtained from other users --Pava (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Cimmerian praeto here. See also: Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Situla_from_Vače --Miha (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the cases cited at the mentioned page, a relevant case is also [8]. In short, faithful copies (that differ only in size or not) seem to not be copyrightable. Of course, this is only the US law, the law in other countries may differ. I'll take another look at the nominations in the following days. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've reviewed the nominations and am withdrawing the nomination for most images except:
File:- 01 atomobile mania.jpg
File:- 01 Manichino carrozzeria Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint.jpg
File:3 - Barchetta Fiat (lavandino).jpg
File:Cové6.jpg
File:GM Heritage Center - 123 - Automobilia - Zora.jpg
File:GM Heritage Center - 124 - Automobilia - Zora.jpg
File:SECME Mousetrap-cars.jpg
File:Stadtmuseum-gt-camel.jpg
File:Stadtmuseum-gt-gogo.jpg
File:Stadtmuseum-gt-miele2.jpg
File:Stadtmuseum-gt-spielzeug.jpg.
In my opinion, per the above, replicas are not copyrightable, unless there is some originality. I'm not sure whether File:Toy car 1.jpg is a replica of an actual car or not. Unless someone recognises the actual model, it should be presumed non-free. --Eleassar (t/p) 09:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scale models are derivative works. Scale models are eligible for copyright (see Visual Arts (VA) registration form, 17 U.S.C. § 101 and the explanation/case law/etc. at User:Elcobbola/Models. Especially keep this one, there's no model specificly shown. As such de minimis applies. --High Contrast (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I somehow don't see how objects depicted in the above images for which I've withdrawn the nomination would be more original than the plastic Uncle Sam bank in this court case. Unless the copyright holder is the designer of the original car, which is not the case, because cars are functional objects and thus not copyrighted. The flags depicted in Stadtmuseum-gt-spielzeug.jpg are not free imo. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No revision for this one. Jim is/was absolutely right with his decission. Basically, models are copyrighted. See my comment above for further explanations. --High Contrast (talk) 22:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone can propose the review at COM:UDR. I'm still missing a court case for the claim by High Contrast. On the contrary, this court case in conjunction with [9] (pg. 847) and [10] (pg. 42) clearly shows that models are not copyrighted, unless there is some original addition to them. --Eleassar (t/p) 05:37, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Some deleted, others kept. Derivatives of non-free content are forbidden on Commons FASTILY 08:31, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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